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I tired of my art being stolen. And now thanks to these selfish people I have to ruin my posts with water marks.
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Okay I did not mean to make this into any kind of witch hunt.
The artist who stole from me apologized and are promising to try harder with their OWN STYLE and I am totally happy to hear that.
I would rather someone REF off my images then straight out copy them.
I support the development of artists, not short cuts.

Also, yes I DO consider my artwork being traced STOLEN ART.
As an artist you should know better.
I work hard on my work! I got carpel tunnel for drawing for 18 years!
THATS A LOT OF PAIN IN MY WORK

Some people think that tracing artwork isn't theft but it is. Art theft its self is a short cut, tracing is a short cut, minor editing is a short cut.
Short cuts will not get you anywhere as an artist. As a kid I had the see through paper and I would trace Disney art books and manga all the time.
It seriously got me no where. But after eyeballing photo's, and how things are supposed to look, like legs, arms, fingers, toes, ears, paws shit like that. I seriously got better! 

Practice makes you better guys, please. No more short cuts :(
And if you'd like to ref my work, please ask me.
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Lionkingfanat Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You are so right I feel the same way no one should go through  that no one I feel ya just think of the people who are stealing as someone with no artist in them just keep doing whatcha doing :D (Big Grin) Huggle! Hug 
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catskikestarsjanis Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2014
lion si please pero konw and buena that ho ver good a un la ayudar a los demas yo solo dia ver  las personas
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dacostpa Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm REALLY sorry to hear that you're going through such a frustrating experience. I can DEFINITLEY understand how upsetting it must be to have your artwork misused. Still, for the sake of myself and all your other fans, I TRULY hope that you'll reconsider watermarking all your work. I know how angry you must be (and with VERY good reason), but doing so generally hurts the people who respect your artwork more than the ones who don't. I, for one, would TRULY hate to lose the ability to fully view your beautiful art. :)
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Pony-who-waited Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
It's just a shame that you have to water mark the art you do now, and it's good that user understood.
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ArmanaTLK Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Its unfortunate that you have to take these steps. :[
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MatrixPotato Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I can totally relate! Sorry to hear that you have to start watermarking everything, but the tracing has become so accepted among the younger generation. It's sad. :c
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KashimusPrime Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm so glad they understood that what they did was wrong. 
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BlueManeWolf Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
there seriously needs to be an age limit to enter this sight, like (15-16?)...what a shame -.-
so sorry to here this, you are definitely my personal fav artist ^^
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littaly Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Student Digital Artist
age doesn't define maturity. I've seen 20 year olds act like 12 year olds, and 11 year olds act like 20 year olds

but yes SassyHonks is right, age limit is 13

(omg SassyHonks is a great name)
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SassyHonks Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
There is one. 13 is the minimum age, but alas. People will be little shits no matter what the age.
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BlueManeWolf Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
maybe we could raise it :paranoid: 
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Sefinatrox Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'll admit that when I first started out I couldn't even draw a decent lion :p I ended up tracing and using references, after awhile I noticed that I was good at looking at art and copying but not so much at free hand. I decided that I wanted to come up with me own style and I've seen a BIG difference. Practice makes perfect. Don't use tracing as an excuse, it took me awhile but I got the hang of it.
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DaRky312 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Sorry u_u
I'll remove everything!
I didn't know this was bad
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KashimusPrime Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's good to know that you understand that what you did is wrong. Tracing can be good, but it can also be a handicap. 
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ChaosDemonXXXAngel Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Unless it has the word "free", don't use it.
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DaRky312 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I know that now!
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Child-Of-Hades Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Didn't know it was bad? It's art theft! Just how old ARE you? Oh well, I'm just glad somebody taught you a lesson before you got banned from this website permanently :/ And no offense but I think you owe Maggie more of an apology than that, I mean, you stole beautiful work that she poured her heart into and thought it was no big deal :(
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DaRky312 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I'm 13 and still kinda new to this site!
And I don't know how else to say sorry other than that
I know it's beautiful and amazing work, that's why i tried to recreate it, which i shouldn't have!
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Child-Of-Hades Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I just hope you realize how much it truly hurts when you see someone you don't even know tracing/recoloring/re-uploading your art without so much as a "How do you do?" :( I've had it happen to me numerous times and I can't even begin to describe the pain, sorrow, rage, and hatred I felt toward those people- and I know you don't want others to feel that way about you
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DaRky312 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Yeah, I get I was dumb! 
But I said sorry, I didn't know I was doing wrong
and I'm taking all the bad stuff down now 
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Michiko1125 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's good that you removed it an apologized. Make sure you stick to bases and practice drawing art of your own. And always credit the artist and get permission first.
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DaRky312 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I will!
This is kinda embarrassing for me haha!
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Michiko1125 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Unlike most "thieves" you apologized and corrected your error right away. I think it was just a mistake, a lot of people don't realize that tracing art for your own use is stealing. The think cause they redid it or recolored it that it's not their own. But now you can work a little harder for your own art.
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DaRky312 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I will work harder! 
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graveatart Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
*hug* it sucks when people steal from you. You're too amazing of an artist and have such affordable pricing. I don't see why people trace>_<
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werewolfluva Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014   Digital Artist
what deid they take?
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KashimusPrime Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Did a couple overlays for you incase they try to denounce they traced your works 

Overlay2 by KashimusPrime  
Overlay by KashimusPrime
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SassyHonks Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
darky312.deviantart.com/art/Wh… Is this one from you, or no?
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ChaosDemonXXXAngel Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Yup. Found the original. malistlk.deviantart.com/art/At…
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KashimusPrime Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If you need to get the images removed you can fill out a DMCA takedown on the images help.deviantart.com/dmca/

I've had to file one twice in my time since they implemented it and it varies between 1 day and three weeks. Depending on what the influx of their queue is. So far in my time of filing them to get my works removed, I've been satisfied. 

Oh, and, welcome to the fandom :salute: 
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ChaosDemonXXXAngel Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Report and watermark your art at least twice...
Also, I recommend uploading smaller versions from now on instead of the full size ones.
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Pony-who-waited Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
might i ask what they have been stealing?
and they have been on there 2 years.. would of thought they would learn the meaning of' do not trace'
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RaeSM Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014
I am sorry that your art has been stolen from you. D: I really am. But please don't post their username--it will only lead people to post hate comments, and you do not know what that can do to a person, or the damage it could cause. :/
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Miss-Melis Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014   General Artist
I wouldn't be too offended... it does say they are just starting out and practicing art... and redrawing other's pics and doing recolors and what not isn't really truly hurtful stealing... it's actually really helpful in learning to draw in a specific style. I didn't see any real theft there... just some very close referencing for their own characters and maybe some linear traces... but nothing of your characters and nothing that makes your art referenced any more or less appealing...I mean it doesn't take away from your artwork you know? I'm pretty sure it's a case of the person really appreciating your style and trying to get to your point. I'd just ask them to credit you on the references
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ginbearhound1 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I support this comment.
Tracing has helped me learn placement and anatomy even. When I'm attempting a new 'style' I often look to artist that draw similar and trace theirs, but never do I post it online. The intent is good, but people get way too pissy over this. As long as it's not a commission, no credit is given, or the person is selling the art I truly don't see the problem with tracing.
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Miss-Melis Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014   General Artist
Exactly.... it's really not hurting anyone.... it's only to better you or anyone else tracing personally. And there's nothing wrong with posting it up for people to see either... there's nothing wrong with saying hey look what I created from another's artwork... should I work on this style? Did I get close to that person's style...ect. As long as it's like you said and it's not a commission...i see no harm
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Pony-who-waited Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
they need to ask the artist permission before doing something like that.
unless it states' you are allowed to use this please give credit or link back'
you can't just take something without asking becasue that technically is stealing
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Miss-Melis Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014   General Artist
That's the thing... the specific images I four through the accused person's gallery... here on MalisTLK's pics... they actually don't state that credit is to be given. And again nothing was actually "stolen" only pose and style were referenced in creation of that person's characters.... they basically used it as a base..... that's technically no different than going on google and finding a photo of a lion and tracing the form to get a pose...

You mean to honestly say that none of your own artwork was created by looking and trying to replicate another's lines and shapes? Isn't that the backbone of art in general... well I mean cartooning art and what not.

Didn't mean to cause a war here with this guys... I'm just saying to look at the positive rather than the negative here... and not call out someone who was clearly no intending any harm....

I have seen first hand how some people out there can really abuse people's
 artwork and even sell artwork of other's as their own, but I think all of those incidents that are happening around here, have made us all a little harsh on these tiny occurrences where it's really just innocent. What happened to helping each other out? If someone is willing to go out find my art and trace it.... then instead of scolding..why not talk to them and ask them if they'd like to LEARN from you rather than just reference.
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Pony-who-waited Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
my art has been inspired by most shows such as mlp.
in most of my works i will state that mlp belongs to Hasbro.
in as well if i used a base i will link it back to the person who made it, yes the pose may be the same as this artis but they still did not ask for permission .
The site has become a crap whole becasue either there are kids under age coming here or people thinking its 'okay' to trace or steal.
It's bad enough that even a site admin could not do their job properly and not even help a member on here.
Even as i see my art is terrible i would still not like someone to just take it and not ask.
to me they can look, if they asked me i would be okay but it would depend on what it was, artist's take their time to draw .
they don't put it on here for some kid to just take .
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KashimusPrime Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Actually they're blatant traces. I did an overlay on the stolen images and the lazy thief just lazily traced the images then recolored them. 
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Pony-who-waited Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
Sorry to ask, have you got a link to this?
Would it be a good idea to report the person ?
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KashimusPrime Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
sta.sh/02910ks553kn

Had to post it up onto my St.ash. But you can clearly see they lazily and blatantly traced the original images. I only did the two I recognized off the bat, not sure of the rest of them they stole from her. 
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Pony-who-waited Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
I don't get it why people just trace and not even bother to give credit.
It's bad enough that one of the staff treated a user a while back like crap becasue their art work was traced.
Thank you for showing me the link , i will first of all see if that artist gives credit if not i will report.
When it comes to me i will try my best to give copy right to Hasbro as my oc was inspired by them and the show.
(p.s love the icon)
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KashimusPrime Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't get it either. Besides, MLP and Sonic, TLK has the worst fandom when it comes to unoriginal tracing lazy slobs. 

It doesn't matter if credit is given. In the end they stole art, traced and recolored it, and the artist feels offended that someone would throw away the trust they had in sharing their works with others online. The "If you didn't want it stolen don't put it on the internet in the first place" argument doesn't even count in this circumstance and it gets old fast. 
(Thanks, was a 10$ commission from Zeurel

I know I've had my work stolen a lot lately and it's mostly my Cub Zira image. People mistake a speed draw for a tutorial all the time BI 

Because of the theft I've been tempted to redraw it to see if I can't get better than what I was back then since it's an older image. 
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ChaosDemonXXXAngel Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
So because they're starting out, it's okay to trace over others stuff?
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Miss-Melis Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014   General Artist
Well actually yah.....I remember starting out in learning my own style I looked to many many artists for help and guidance and sometimes the only way to really get a feel for how a line is drawn is to trace over it and draw it yourself... In the beginning of my art career (my goal being to work at Disney one day) I would buy hundreds of color books just to trace the images and learn their curves and edges.

Deviantart being a very open and supportive art community.... I'd be honored if someone was tracing MY work... not offended.... That literally means they wish they were as good as you... you know? And if tracing some of my lines can help someone to learn and grow as an artist..I'm more than willing.... and like I mentioned in the first comment... as long as someone credits the original artist in their work. Sometimes though, a lot of younger artists starting out feel under skilled and often embarrassed as they are trying to make a name for themselves and their art... which often leads to doing it discretely to gain some confidence.
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Pony-who-waited Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
but for someone to be on here for 2 years would of thought they would of learned 'do not trace'
yeah lets find out how many people would be 'okay' to see their art work being traced and not asked for permission .
art work can take hours or days , i'm sorry but seeing it as okay when its not...i don't even.
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ChaosDemonXXXAngel Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't understand how that equates to them wanting to be as good as you. Tracing doesn't really help them get there. It would mean that they'd only be good if they traced/trace always.

Not only are they using your artwork, that you may have struggled with, that you put time and effort into it..only for someone to take the easy way and use a line tool over it? Not to mention uploading it?

Coloring books and free lineart/bases is one thing but another user's work that you don't have permission to use is another matter entirely.
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Miss-Melis Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014   General Artist
Like I mentioned in a different comment...the pieces in question weren't actually posted with any crediting instructions... and for all any of us know... the person could have googled it and found it. And no I didn't mean if they traced forever... hence the just starting out comment. But I can speak from experience... you do indeed get better by tracing and recreating artwork. When you get up into art careers it's actually required of you sometimes to recreate the art and style... sometimes even exact lines of another to achieve certain looks.

You mean to tell me you've honestly never looked at another person's artwork and tried to recreate even some tiny part of it? Some people can't do that by just looking and need to trace it to understand. And goodness...i'd be even more flattered if someone liked something I've struggled with enough to use it to help them... that means I did a great job!

And again this all goes back to if you don't want people to do it then clearly state not too. I meant no disrespect to anyone...I only meant to put it out there that not all cases like this are intended to harm the original artist.... sometimes people just need a hand
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Buri288 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Tracing only ever teaches you to copy a line exactly as it's placed.  It does not teach you proper anatomy, or any of the other important things you can utilize as an artist (like eyeballing/referencing, which is a good tool when proper permission is granted and credit is given to the sources) because all you're doing is copying the work of someone else, including all the mistakes they make.  It's also not fair to the artists who worked their asses off learning to do what they do when someone comes along and copies it line for line without bothering to ask permission first.  Artists shouldn't have to tell people not to take things without asking because it's common sense.  Don't take or use something that does not belong to you.  Just because it's not something physical like a cookie doesn't mean you can take it for yourself without asking first, especially if that something is the artists' livelihood and how they make a living, pay bills, etc.

Trying to mimic the style of someone else with everything you do is, in my opinion, kind of a waste of time when you could be working on developing your own, unique style.  It's all fine and well if you want to draw like your idols, but you get so much more pride in your work when you do it yourself in your own style.

There needs to be more education on what is and isn't acceptable in general when it comes to this stuff, but when sites like this encourage wrong behavior it's hard to set people straight.  There's a lot that can be learned just from lurking websites like Artist's Beware on LiveJournal as to who has what rights when it comes to art and a multitude of other things.
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